Haha, I told me wife I was practicing to be a geezer when I unboxed these shoes. They remind me of shoes you'd see an 70 year old man wear with white socks and shorts in Florida. I used to like Clark's but don't anymore. I remember you mentioning the brand in a previous comment. I've never heard of the Nortiv 8 brand but will have to look for them. The last time we were hiking in Sedona I decided to try some of the barefoot hiking shoes from Merrell and they ended up beating up my feet pretty badly. I'll definitely be going with a traditional hiking boot the next time.